In the 90s and 00s Honda and Toyota were your only options if you wanted guaranteed longevity. The hatchback is great, but you get a smaller car, no android auto, no sunroof, no remote start, and a slower car. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The 2017 Honda runs smoothly and is comfortable enough for long road trips, does not use up much gas. Not the parodies, those are great, but the originals. Ford and Chevy will last you until 100K with proper maintenance and may get you to 150K. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. In some cases, customers report problems that stem from them not understanding the complex systems, making it incumbent on dealers to properly teach customers about all the facets of their new vehicles. Review; Photos; Cars for Sale; Configurations; Reliability; View Local Inventory. Even with crazy road trips and the commute to work won't slow this beast down. Power and Associates Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) rating or, if unavailable, the J.D. What I don't understand is why they only earn a 3/5 for reliability on various websites. We've been driving Hondas since 2004 and really want the Civic but we also need top-notch reliability expected from a Honda. Photography: Stephen Spyropoulos. Pretty much any car will treat you well for the first 100k miles or more, and can last to 150k or even 200k with good maintenance. I was not partial to one over the other to be honest. 2017 Honda Civic Hatch LX vs 2017 Nissan Sentra SR Turbo. 2017 Honda Civic Recalls. This is the LX. It's a 2017 Civic Hatchback Sport, with the 6-speed manual … Press J to jump to the feed. 54. Hi r/cars. I didn't say that I trusted them, i was just alluding to the fact that many review aggregation sites use them. Uncertainty how the Turbo in the engine will change things. I haven't seen the specific ones you are talking about but I do know Honda's reliability has slipped a bit. Affordability and reliability aside, there’s a very good reason the Honda Civic is Canada’s top-selling car. 2017 Honda Civic Hatchback | Honda . Owners love to talk about problems on there :). The Reliability score is based on our latest subscriber survey of 2017 Honda Civic owners. Drives fine in all weather types. I would say a hatchback would be the best value. The 2017 Honda Civic gets very similar gas mileage with 28 mpg in the city and 39 mpg on the highway. Scorecard. No vehicle problems at all, it is a brand new 2017 Honda civic, very stable while driving, with wide comfortable seats, the car has lots of space, and fits 5 people. Aside from maybe the Volkswagen Golf, no other model has historically offered the affordability, reliability, comfort, spaciousness, and even a performance quite like Honda’s compact. Honda Explains Why the 2017 Civic Si Has Only 205 HP It all boils down to reliability and affordability. Not that I think very highly of CR either. and that worries me. Reliability; View Local Inventory. Has anyone here driven both Civic models? Hiya! My experience with my 2016 1.5T is fantastic. I had it for four years - the last two requiring over $5K of repairs each year, on top of all scheduled maintenance. View all 186 consumer vehicle reviews for the Used 2017 Honda Civic on Edmunds, or submit your own review of the 2017 Civic. The new Civics are perfectly reliable cars. Performance: 8.7: Despite having larger dimensions than most other compact cars, the Civic handles like a smaller sedan. - surging, delays, funny sounds, etc. ) Now this data is available for the "older models" with 2018 also earning 3/5. Engine Turbocharged 1.5-Liter I4. It will more than satisfy the needs of the average Canadian driver. Certainly nothing that most people would consider a "reliability" issue, at least. It’s the kind of car that people return to their friendly local Honda dealer time and again to buy, as they rate its reliability and it looks a bit different to a Golf. Then there's all the complicated control components. I'm a PC guy-it was like watching a PC unboxing that ignores all the system specs and just sings praises about the bloatware the manufacturer installs. 11. The owner comments describe problems respondents experienced with this vehicle. Ratings are typically based on surveys of consumers. Now I understand that "average" reliability nowadays is still amazing and that an over average reliability is virtually indestructible, and that honor seems to be bestowed to Toyotas only as far as I can see. Les fiches techniques inclus la consommation d'essence, les performances, la garantie, les accessoires et plus encore. While I'd suggest looking up common issues for a given car, unless you buy an absolute POS you'll be fine, and should be comparing cars based on what you prefer out of them first. 2017 Honda Civic Type R Touring The Honda civic 2013 is a reliable 4 door compact car excellent when it comes to take long trips I love how its so fuel economical it is a 4 cylinder with ecoboost , for it being a coupe car it is relatively spacious. I have always been under the assumption and understanding that Honda civics offer a great value because of their reliability and how well they retain their values over the years. What's the owner experience with the 2016 and 2017 1.5T/CVT cars out there? User account menu. This is literally the only issue I've had with my car. And I've had a similar experience as you. Consider that they operate off exhaust which is a stressful thing of itself. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whatcarshouldIbuy community. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I would not suggest fretting too much. Which one would you recommend? Size . People are even complaining about the transmissions in the Toyota. Tell that to my 10 year old phillips. 2017 HONDA CIVIC TOURING SEDAN. This is a subreddit for people seeking advice as to what car would best suit them. Tthe corolla sedan is just not enjoyable to ride. The new 2017 Honda Civic Si is upon us. I'm also pretty sure it was just the infotainment glitches that knocked the score down. Now I'm seeing less forgiveness with warranty issues and more issues with the new vehicles. might go but the motor will still run fine and the car will drive. Owners may contact Honda customer service at 1-888-234-2138. It is hard enough to try to do a thorough research, but it is such a pain in the ass when an idiot gives a product a one star because it wouldn't scratch their ass for them. Close. Sounds like the Honda is a great car overall, but it may not be best one for me. I have driven both the Civic and the corolla. MUSKOKA, Ontario – When the Civic was first introduced in the early 1970s, it was the car for everyone. They are all new so no one has the data on it yet. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Thanks! Toyota, Honda, Mazda, and Subaru will definitely get you to 150K+ and should last to 200K. I have a 2016 Civic EX-T, bought in March 2016. Learn what owners have to say and get authentic consumer feedback before buying your next car. It was buggy for awhile but they just recently(in the last 5 months or so) pushed an update to all of them and they work HELLA better. Looks like some great websites to check out for when you do your research are as follows: JD Power? Let's take a DETAILED IN-DEPTH REVIEW of the 2017 Honda Civic Touring Sedan! I came from an 07 Audi A4, which received excellent marks from CR. Using a … I forgot to mention that consumer report have dropped Honda from their car ranking and that is worrisome as well, so it is not just JD Power thing. After looking around and multiple test drives, I've narrowed down my list to the Honda Civic [Hatchback] and the Mazda3 [Hatchback or Sedan]. This is a demo and walk around on the 2017 Honda Civic. Good to know that I should take their opinion with a grain of salt. In addition, this discussion turned to a JD Power bashing session. Press J to jump to the feed. Our reliability score is based on the J.D. The recommended servicing together with warranty for the Honda Civic 2017 contribute to the cost of ownership and the ongoing reliability of a car. Nicest car I have ever owned so far. The rest. 2017 Honda Civic vs 2017 Mazda3 ? I hate these commercials with a passion and I work at Chevy. Dates of Manufacture: JAN 15, 2014 to NOV 05, 2014 Not a single dead pixel. It’s Should you get the Honda Civic? Our reliability score is based on the J.D. The Honda Civic. This is so infuriating. Photo by: John Neff . I don't believe they have had time to iron all of the kinks out of the new technology yet. There have been 1 safety recalls issued from NHTSA. First Drive: 2017 Honda Civic Hatchback. Now this data is available for the "older models" with 2018 also earning 3/5. I never thought they are reliable sources of rating until I started seeing all these review aggregation sites like US news using it for their reliability ratings. Honda Civic 2017 Reliability. I swear I thought consumer reports only didn't rank the reliability high on the new civics because of the infotainment system. See Photos » Average Price Paid $15,678 - $33,900. Dodge, Nissan, Fiat, and Mitsubishi are reliable if you have the money and time to replace everything that will break below 100K miles. Honda. Honda rushed to advanced infotainment in their new models and apparently either it does not work well or people do not understand it. I have a 2016 EXT and it has been perfect. Click here for the Chinese (中文) review. The thing you have to understand is these companies are being forced into some of this new technology due to mandated gas mpg ratings. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Their cars are well built with good materials. Reliability: Key: Among the best. I would pick the car that feels/drives the best. There is no way the Honda will be worse than that. I'm in the market for a new dd and have been looking into Civics. I guess not very well substantiated and seem related to the CVT being not like a good old gear transmission. Reliability: Key: Among the best. They reviewed it without ever actually talking about the whole, you know, driving aspect of the car. The rest. There have been 4 safety recalls issued from NHTSA. Point being, I know Civics are very reliable but I'm wondering if the same is said for the SI? Gas in the oil on the CRT was the main one, infotainment stuff and I remember reading some transmission problems as well on various Hondas. Created by Honda Enthusiast. In case you don't know about them I HIGHLY recommend these sites for reliability ratings. I have always been under the assumption and understanding that Honda civics offer a great value because of their reliability and how well they retain their values over the years. Archived. I guess I don't know where this leaves me. The simplest metric in use is the number of total problems reported for a certain make and model. Haven't you seen the Chevy commercials where they brag about all of their JD power awards. No mention of power, stability, safety, fuel efficiency, or any drivey bits. I’d add a huge asterisk to your statement. By Chris Tsui June 5, 2017. About average. SHARE. Not only that, but you will be covered under warranty for the majority of that short time. I got my 2017 ex-t in January and have 3200 miles on it so far. I personally don't like the transmission in either the Honda or the Toyota. While close, the Civic could save you a little in the long run. Chevy does some things really great and frankly, they used to be better. Is the turbo engine noticeably better to drive than the base engine? What to look for when buying a Honda Civic 2012 - 2017, covering common problems to check for and overall vehicle reliability. I live in South lake Tahoe so it handles snow like a champ. The civic seems to give you more bang for your buck, it seems, and for the particular set of features, it is cheaper than the XSE by about 2 grand. All those awards are for like features that they come with. Perhaps this is being fixed with a software patch, which frankly does not sound great. If you rely on JD Power then Chevy most be the world's best cars ever from best design, engineering and most reliable. Please chime in and let us know about any problems you've had with your car, if you are happy with your purchase, and why. Scorecard. Hyundai and Kia are reliable but I honestly couldn’t tell you at what mileage point they stop becoming reliable. I also hear that Honda's new turbo-charged engines might reduce life of the engine in the long term. Mazda 3 Hatchback or Honda Civic Hatchback? Log in sign up. I think test driving the car is going to be your best bet, that and visiting the brand/model specific car forums. Cookies help us deliver our Services. This is from an article about JD Power. 2 years ago. When you work on one, you can see well thought out engineering. Scorecard. Honestly the best car. Gallery: 2017 Honda Civic Sedan: Review. The Toyota will be very reliable but I just can't stand how it shifts myself. The majority are done by real consumers, some that have had a few years driving the car. If your plan is only 5-7K years I think your chances are extremely good regardless of the company/car you choose. Is the performance that much better in a civic LX (or other similar new models) to warrant paying around 5k more? Essentially all complaints on this forum ( e.g. Power Predicted Reliability rating. I also used to live in Detroit where they loved to have huge banners of JD power awards everywhere. What about oil fuel dilution in the 1.5t? Edit: Thank you guys for all of the awesome insights! Close. I recently drove from Texas to California to Washington, and the car handled it like a champ. 2017 Honda Accord Reliability Ratings. Hopefully it will get better soon, but the 10 speed is about to come out and I've heard Cadillac is having lots of issues with them so... bring on the service complaints I guess... JD Power ranks cars based on who can be arsed to return the survey. 2017 Civic Hatchback, One Year Owners Review. 2017 Honda Civic Performance Review . Note: This performance review was created when the 2017 Honda Civic was new. For decades, the Honda Civic has ranked as one of the great do-anything cars. And I wanted one of those so bad. Areas that have the highest number of issues include advanced infotainment and high-tech safety systems. We cannot predict how reliable the 2019s are yet. 2017 Honda Civic Reliability Ratings. The 2017 Honda Civic Si has arrived, but instead of the powerful punch of pepper we'd hoped for, it’s a little on the tame side. 2017 Honda Accord Recalls. Wife was about to pull the trigger on a 2017 Sport Hatch CVT and then the Consumer Reports article rating the Civic as below average in reliability and stating that it no longer had the "recommended" check came out and left us questioning our choice. Wife was about to pull the trigger on a 2017 Sport Hatch CVT and then the Consumer Reports article rating the Civic as below average in reliability and stating that it no longer had the "recommended" check came out and left us questioning our choice. Better than most. I know that the sentra seems to have less people liking it than the civic, but right now a civic LX in my area is priced at 24000$ before tax, and a Sentra is available at 19000$. But that's what the speculation is. I know, I know. Electrical issues with respect to the infotainment / old people who cant figure out how to use them. By that I mean everything might rattle and certain things like radio, power windows, etc. I have a 17 Sport Hatch 6MT. I test drove both a honda civic EX and toyota corolla XSE hatchback. Better than most. SERVICE SCHEDULE SERVICE COSTS* 10,000km $325 20,000km $325 30,000km $325 37,500km $325 Warranty … The other day I was visiting my elderly aunt and a vehicle review on the local news. I have seen the commercials haha. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Year after year, Honda has always been an extremely reliable brand. Does edmunds, usnews, and other outlets all get their valuation of the reliability based on what JD power thinks? Output 174 Horsepower / 162 Pound-Feet. Honda is getting dinged by all the major ratings organizations for their problematic infotainment systems. Read consumer reviews from real 2017 Honda Civic buyers. All Things Civic Related. Honda's numbers for this recall are JU2 (Civic) and JU3(Fit). Keep in mind typically my cars last forever and ever I am pretty careful with all my stuff. If I buy a Honda and only plan to keep it for 5-7 years (~50-60K miles), how much more reliability units does a Toyota give me over the same period of time? CVT transmission issues. I drive short distances to work around town (hence the estimated 50-60k miles over 5 years) and I live in a cold climate where the engine issues, albeit not that significant with the mixing, might not be desirable. 54. Honda Civic SI Reliability? I think this beats say JDPOWERS or even Consumer Reports when looking into reliability. Just because you’re getting a compact car doesn’t mean that you want your knees to slam against the dashboard every time you drop into the driver’s or passenger’s seat. I owned a '03 Civil LX for several years and in that time only had to change the oil/tires. 2016 Honda Civic Touring Oct 8, 2017 #6 andromeda said: Turbos are notoriously unreliable. A few software issues here and there last summer, but it's been rock solid for the last 4-5 months or so. JD Power is shit. Get reliability information for the 2017 Honda Accord from Consumer Reports, which combines extensive survey data and expert technical knowledge. Get reliability information for the 2017 Honda Civic from Consumer Reports, which combines extensive survey data and expert technical knowledge. 2000 dollars over 5 years is only a very small amount per month. The recall is expected to begin October 30, 2015. Honda Civic 2017 : Trouver toutes les spécifications techniques sur Auto123.com. I don't trust CR anymore. The Honda has the CVT; it's going to be more expensive to fix. It's gonna last forever. Power and Associates Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) rating or, if unavailable, the J.D. I'm barely literate in car stuff, but hot damn it made my skin crawl that they basically just reviewed an infotainment system and seat configuration and called it a car review. Published: October 24, 2016 . I know there's only like a ~25hp difference. I've had zero issues with it. 2017 Mazda 3 Hatch or 2017 Honda Civic Hatch? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I'm also considering a 2017 Mazda3 Touring sedan with the base 2.0L engine. I have a Dieselgate VW that I will be turning in sometime in the Spring. Pics / Videos / Stories / Advice & More! 2017 Honda Civic Civic Coupe LX-P CVT Specs #2 out of 18 in 2017 Compact Cars. Gas mixing with oil, likely secondary to short drives in cold whether where the gas does not have time to evaporate from the oil pan and make it small like gas in the car. The service intervals shown are based on the kilometers traveled, regardless of the time between services. The 8 speed transmission is having issues left and right. With that said, see some of the comments here mentioning fuel oil dilution, botched CVTs, etc. Same question goes to a mazda or a kia or any other car make. Posted by ‘14 Passat TDI, ‘20 Freightliner Cascadia . Power Predicted Reliability rating. About average. Finally someone gave some type of source for their opinion....not just "Toyota indestructible, Chrysler junk". I like the 2017 Honda Civic sedan and am most interested in the EX and EX-T trims. What is up with Honda Civic reliability? Archived. My only gripe is right after I bought it, the hatchbacks came out. Posted by 3 years ago. What I don't understand is why they only earn a 3/5 for reliability on various websites. Remedy: Honda will notify owners, and dealers will update the software for the transmission, free of charge. 40 Photos. 2017 Mazda 3 Hatch or 2017 Honda Civic Hatch? In the first week I got it, my infotainment system became non-responsive to touch and the dealership replaced it under warranty for free. They sent me one when I bought a Miata, but I was having too much fun driving it to fill it out. We've been driving Hondas since 2004 and really want the Civic but we also need top-notch reliability expected from a Honda. I remember when I was a TV salesman that people used to wave these reports in my face telling me the TVs are unreliable and wont last more than 5 years. 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